#15284 wish: make the (name) field optional

Message #5 received at submit@debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de>

To: bug-guix@gnu.org

Subject: wish: make the (name) field optional

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:05:26 +0200

Hi Guix Hackers,

Currently when defining a package, I have to write the name at least
twice:

(define-public NAME
  (name "NAME"))

This gives the flexibility to use different names for the visual
output and the technical name. But for most packages it likely just
adds useless duplication.

So I think the (name) field should be optional, and if it is not
present, the packages technical name should be used automatically.

Best wishes,
Arne

Message #8 received at 15284@debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)

To: Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de>

Cc: 15284@debbugs.gnu.org

Subject: Re: bug#15284: wish: make the (name) field optional

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:06:49 +0200

Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de> skribis:

> Currently when defining a package, I have to write the name at least
> twice:
>
> (define-public NAME
>   (name "NAME"))
>
> This gives the flexibility to use different names for the visual
> output and the technical name. But for most packages it likely just
> adds useless duplication.
>
> So I think the (name) field should be optional, and if it is not
> present, the packages technical name should be used automatically.

As discussed on IRC, the main issue is that package objects exist
whether or not the exist a variable bound to them; and really there can
be any number of variables whose value is a given package object.  IOW,
there is no direct connection between the variable name and the package
name.

That said, for cases like the above, we could have:

  (define-syntax-rule (define-package package-name fields ...)
    (define-public package-name
      (package
        (name (symbol->string 'package-name))
        fields ...)))

However, I prefer treating packages just like any other Scheme object,
and to avoid introducing “magic” with macros like this.

WDYT?

Ludo’.

Message #11 received at 15284@debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andreas Enge <andreas@enge.fr>

To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org>

Cc: Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de>, 15284@debbugs.gnu.org

Subject: Re: bug#15284: wish: make the (name) field optional

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 23:30:45 +0200

On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 02:06:49PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> As discussed on IRC, the main issue is that package objects exist
> whether or not the exist a variable bound to them; and really there can
> be any number of variables whose value is a given package object.  IOW,
> there is no direct connection between the variable name and the package
> name.

This is what happens with the python package rewriting I just implemented:
Inputs are rewritten as packages inside a list, and are not associated
to a variable name.

Having a special syntax just for avoiding to write the package name a second
time is not really needed in my opinion.

Andreas

Message #14 received at 15284@debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de>

To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org>

Cc: 15284@debbugs.gnu.org

Subject: Re: bug#15284: wish: make the (name) field optional

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 01:00:03 +0200

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Am Freitag, 6. September 2013, 14:06:49 schrieb Ludovic Courtès:
> However, I prefer treating packages just like any other Scheme object,
> and to avoid introducing “magic” with macros like this.

I prefer not having to repeat stuff, and being able to do stuff like this is one of the big advantages of scheme.

But to see whether it actually helps a lot, it would be necessary to know how many packages will be available in multiple versions (so the package name and the variable have to differ).

Best wishes,
Arne
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Message #21 received at 15284-done@debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>

To: 15284-done@debbugs.gnu.org

Subject: wish: make the (name) field optional

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 23:53:33 +0200

I agree with Ludo and Andreas that we better shouldn’t make the
name field optional.

That said, I just pushed a series of patches that happens to address
this wishlist item in a very roundabout way.  It is now possible to
build packages from JSON files like this:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
[
  {
    "name": "myhello",
    "version": "2.10",
    "source": "mirror://gnu/hello/hello-2.10.tar.gz",
    "build-system": "gnu",
    "arguments": {
      "tests?": false
    }
    "home-page": "https://www.gnu.org/software/hello/",
    "synopsis": "Hello, GNU world: An example GNU package",
    "description": "GNU Hello prints a greeting.",
    "license": "GPL-3.0+",
    "native-inputs": ["gettext"]
  },
  {
    "name": "greeter",
    "version": "1.0",
    "source": "https://example.com/greeter-1.0.tar.gz",
    "build-system": "gnu",
    "arguments": {
      "test-target": "foo",
      "parallel-build?": false,
    },
    "home-page": "https://example.com/",
    "synopsis": "Greeter using GNU Hello",
    "description": "This is a wrapper around GNU Hello.",
    "license": "GPL-3.0+",
    "inputs": ["myhello", "hello"]
  }
]
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

As you can see, there is no variable assignment, because this is JSON.
The “name” field is the only identifier, and its value can be used as an
input in other packages (see the reference to “myhello” in the “greeter”
package definition).

It’s really only tangentially related to what this issue is about, but
it’s as close as we can get to duplication-free syntax — even though
it’s JSON and not Scheme.  Look, there are also no labels for inputs!
Because there are no custom phases either…

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Ricardo

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