#44808 - Default to allowing password authentication on leaves users vulnerable

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From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
To: Christopher Lemmer Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org>
Subject: Re: bug#44808: Default to allowing password authentication on
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Christopher Lemmer Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org> writes:

> Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide writes:
>
>> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>>>> #2 is more thorough but also more risky: people could find themselves
>>>>> locked out of their server after reconfiguration, though this could be
>>>>> mitigated by a news entry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> My thoughts are that there is no mitigation for being locked out of a
>> pre-existing server. Keep in mind that that server might not actually be
>> accessible in any other way — it might be with a cheap hoster whose
>> support is practically non-existent, or it might be in a sealed
>> measurement container that can only be accessed via SSH without
>> disassembly.
>>
>>>> We could also do a combination of the above, as a transitional plan:
>>>> do #1 for now, but try to advertise that in the future, the default will
>>>> be changing... please explicitly set password access to #t if you need
>>>> this!  Then in the *following* release, change the default.
>>
>> This sounds like trying to retroactively fixing a problem at the wrong
>> place: If the installer creates a configuration which prevents
>> password-authentication, there is no problem for new systems and new
>> users who need password-authentication will explicitly see in the
>> config, that they have to change it, otherwise it won’t work. All the
>> while old systems will keep working.
>>
>> I do need to access my system via password+ssh from time to time,
>> because I don’t want to have a key that can access my system on a
>> presentation-laptop that (due to being moved regularly) is much less
>> secure than the fixed system. If someone gets access to the laptop and
>> compromises my keys, they can run much more efficient attacks against
>> its ssh-keys' password than the attacks people can use to attack ssh via
>> internet.
>>
>> Changing a default (an invisible setting) in a way that prevents access
>> is a serious disruption.
>>
>> In short: please don’t break running systems on update.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Arne
>
> It's a serious concern.  We are left in a tough bind: leave users with
> an insecure default but try to inform them as much as we can of a
> changing default, or possibly lock them out if they don't notice.
>
> Still, now feels like to me the ideal time to do it.  The number of
> people running GuixSD on servers is comparatively small.  I expect that
> to change.  It would be better to make this change sooner than later.

If the installer and the configuration examples are changed now, then
the number of people who unknowingly run Guix on an insecure
configuration should not rise.

To nudge them to secure their system, guix system reconfigure could emit
a warning that this is a potential security risk that requires setting
an explicit value (password yes or no) to silence.

Best wishes,
Arne
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#44808 Default to allowing password authentication on leaves users vulnerable